Sex Offenders get off easy!?

Nagitar™

2006-06-01 17:10:02 UTC

I live in Nebraska and this case has brought so much negative attention to the state that people are freaking out. There have been protests and claims that a recall is starting up to get this judge out of office. Although I live in Omaha and the case happened in western Nebraska it has ticked off all of the entire state. The judge presiding on this case should have her head examined. This pedophile should have to endure prison abuse for the rest of his life. The one good thing is that Nebraska's Attorney General is filing an appeal to have this man re-sentenced. This case has been an embarrasment to the state and the legal system as a whole. It is unacceptable. And the ACLU has started to overstep their bounds. We need the ACLU but they need to stay away from pedophile cases. Damn.

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2016-06-03 08:11:35 UTC

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2014-01-05 10:14:03 UTC

Sex offenders most certainly do NOT get off easy. High risk sex offenders are sent to prison for years and can never get a good job anywhere, but for the sex offenders put on the list for absolutely STUPID reason like, "peeing in public" "exposing yourself" and "having sex with someone a year older than you". In some states 16 is the legal sex age and if a 15 yo and 16 yo have sex the 16 yo can be put on for life. So that means because of one stupid mistake they can never live with their children (think about that one for a second), never get a decent job, and will be terrorized by everyone they meet. They think sex offender they think molestation, rape, etc. The laws don't protect you. They keep good people from being happy. Do you think a real rapist is going to give a **** about a law? No. That's why they broke it in the first place. Laws don't apply to outlaws. They will keep raping and molesting even in prison.

niceguyjbw

2006-06-01 17:12:58 UTC

i usually agree with the ACLU but this is ridiculous. Sex offenders(esp. child molesters) are some of the worst criminals in the world in my opinion. And their getting off "easy" is nothing new. Molest a little kid and get probation, sell a little amount of drugs and get @ 5 years.(mandatory sentence for 5 grams of crack cocaine). Where is the logic in that? The only thing i can think of is that ALOT of those people in power agree with or condone child molestation.i didn't believe that story about being too short for prison when I heard it last week. But i guess it's true. What about all the kids(ppl. under 17) sent to "ADULT" prisons? what kind of idiotic judge was that? So now this person can molest more kids and all the perverts in that state have a "free pass" at molesting kids? WOW!

reallyconfuzzled1

2006-06-02 01:59:08 UTC

As far as the light sentences go I do not think it is proper to second guess a judge. Most states have sentenceing guidelines and if you do not like the sentences handed out contact your state lawmakers for them to change the laws.

I do support the death penalty for the murder of a child.

As far as the ACLU and the registries and the residency restrictions I challenge anyone to provide solid proof of any child saved because of either.

There is none

Most of these henioius crimes against children could have been prevented if the parents were doing their job and supervising their children.

Megan Kanka the poor girl who the megan's law was named after was left outside ALONE unsupervised for 3 hours (source: NJ Newspapers)

Adam Welsh's mother left him in the toy department of a department store ALONE while she was shoping elsewhere in the store.(source: FL Newspapers)

Carlie Brucia was 11 and walking the streets ALONE (source: FL Newspapers)

Florida news stations reported there was no sign of forced entry in the case of Jessica Lunsford. Her grendparents also reported not hearing anything. Perhaps if her father locked the doors she might still be alive.

The list could go on and on.

Another thing all these cases have in common is all the residency and registration requirements would not have prevented any of them

I think the Aclu is doing the right thing and my reasoning has nothing to do with sex offenders. It has to do with something most Americans now-a-days do not know anything about. The Constitution.

These residency restrictions are clearly ex post facto punishment. For anyone who does not know what that means it it's literal meaning is punishment after the fact. The government telling someone where they can and can not live is punishment.

The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto punishment. All Americans are supposed to have all the rights guarenteed by the constitution.

A judge may, when sentenceing a criminal, may take some of those rights away TEMPORAIRLY for whatever length the criminals sentence is but once the sentence is over then all rights are SUPPOSED to be restored.

Where we as Americans are blinded is that we despise sex offenders so much we forget just who these offenders really are. The vast majority are people who were caught up in laws for doing something stupid like urinating in an alley behind a bar, or a 19 year old having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. The facts are very few of the registered sexs offenders pose any risk to society. Politicians and media leave those facts out but they are clearly available for anyone to see.

The real issue is that all these laws will eventually wind their way through the courts and will end up in front of the US Supreme Court. If the laws are upheld we, as a country, are one giant leap closer to living in a state similar to Nazi Germany.

You see, if these laws stand then there is no more protection for anyone from the government to pass even more laws "for the protection of children." What will be next? Anyone with a drunk driving conviction no longer allowed to drive? Any one with a drug conviction not allowed near schools and parks? Think I am crazy? Think again real hard.

One only needs to look at history to see the path we are going down is dangerous.

Now if a judge were to impose at the time of sentenceing lifetime probation with certian restrictions on residency then not only would it solve the problem of a "one size fits all"approach but it woulod also make sure the restrictions were placed on those who are really a danger and not the hundreds of thousands who were just stupid.

Please America wake up before it is too late.

rosi l

2006-06-01 17:15:29 UTC

I don't need the articles. It is a fact the pedophiles are abused in prison, if not separated from the general prison population. However, this is not an excuse to not put them in no matter their size. Recidivism is a fact with pedophiles, therapy makes the court and possibly the therapist feel good, does not cure anything. We need laws that work, no paroll, life in prison period. If a child dies in the commission of sexual abuse -death, period. I know it will probably not happen but families should be able to either sue individual judges or states if a known offender is released on our children and they offend again.

2006-06-01 17:07:14 UTC

I think the Learned Judges had all the information on which to make a judgement, as well as legal training experience. I also think that you don't. Prattling on about chemical castration -- how does the fact that it's painless make it right? -- does not suggest that you have rational views about this common offence.

60 days in jail is a long time. Presumably there is no evidence that the man is a danger to the public, and the girl has been moved. I guess also that he had the consent of the girl.

In the second case, the judge at least realises that weak men in prison are tortured, sometimes to death. Knowing, I guess, that (again) the man is not a danger to the public, the Learned Judge felt that a sentence of probation was adequate. I am sure that he/she is right.

2006-06-01 21:54:25 UTC

What about the poor judgement in the judicial system when people are wrongfully convicted? Does it bother you when innocent persons are incarcerated?

As for the ACLU, I think they are doing a fantastic job in many states. I just wish ALL states would have their backing. The ACLU is doing the right thing. Why you ask? Because they have based their decisions on facts rather than the media and politicians hysteria. The media scares you with wrong statistics and the politicians pull statistics out of thin air (just being nice with that phrase). The only reason they do this and vote for these laws is because it would be political suicide if they voted against them.

All of these laws are knee jerk, feel good legislation and it all amounts to you feel all warm and fuzzy, when in reality you are feeling a very false sense of security.

The FACTS are that rehabilitated former sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rate of any other crime, with the exception of murder!

2006-06-01 17:14:11 UTC

The ACLU was founded by a communist, liberals ARE communists now (and before), they are so far left, that they are off the scale. They will do ANYTHING to obstruct the justice dept. of the U.S., and unravel the very thread that holds the country together, they are just whiny cry baby's and old Hippies that still live with their mothers. they are just trouble makers with no agenda at all, waaa waaa waaa, CRY ME A RIVER !!!!!! sex offenders are very sick people that can not be rehabilitated, they're too sick in the head, they can't stop doing it.

nk_rso

2006-06-01 22:17:47 UTC

you THINK?

I am a "reformed sex offender"

sex offender are least likely to reoffend for the SAME CRIME

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/rsorp94.htm

This is from the USA GOVERNMENT SOURCE

how ever it the LAW that make them rearrest for OTHER CRIMES

such as not registered properly some state wants ALL of your email address so if I add a email I can go to jail for not updating "all" my email"

it just the little thing that can put 10 years of my life behind bars.

1) sex offender are on the list for peeing on the tree

http://www.houstonvoice.com/2006/5-27/news/localnews/parkarrests.cfm

My children (boy and girl) can lives with me from time to time. They go to school as well so how does that protect my children?

with this ACLU issue my children want to go to park it prevent me from taking up responsibility as a father.

it is also not fair for sex offender;s children

political just make things look good for vote

I have also post other question related with sex offender and I answer as many as I can.

it is people like YOU that impose POOR JUDGMENT

protect the children is all people scream about

what about sex offender's Children?

stop and think for a min

how does GPS protect children. THEY DON"T

it take few sec to cut it off and do the deed easily.

I do CHALLENGE you to go out and meet a real live sex offender. I did post a question on this too

you also do have a point sex offender are NOT getting the help they need until they GET out of jail. Why aren't they get help they need while they serve their time.

here a support group for sex offenders

2006-06-01 17:05:40 UTC

Dear Friend,

These poor men need our love and support. It's easy to condemn but hard to forgive. Many sex offenders were themselves severely sexually abused -- it really is a sickness, and treatment is needed.

Your Friend,

Francesois

2006-06-02 12:52:05 UTC

The Myths and Truths about sexual offenders---The Myth::We can relax a bit now that we have sex offender registration.….The Truth Despite Megan's Law, the overall number of sex offenses occurring have actually increased, the websites can only do so much; we need GPS and lifetime probation to control this population. Currently we are failing to control them The Myth::Some Sex Offenders are not violent.….The Truth Non “Violent” Crimes such as molestation are just as traumatizing, and calling them “non-violent” is not in any way accurate. The Myth::Most sex offenders don’t have a lot of victims …The Truth Although 75% of sexual offenders were convicted of one offense, that just means they were only caught once, almost 100% of them have multiple victims. Many have been found to have hundreds when they were polygraphed on this question. The Myth::Most Sex Offenders were at one time abused as a child themselves, that’s why they do it.…The Truth Most "sex offenders" has never been sexually abused. In fact, offenders say this to appear less culpable for their crimes. When they are polygraph on this question their rates of being molested go way, way down, their rates are in fact close to the rest of us who are not molesting The Myth: :Sex.Offenders get serious punishment, and we don’t have to worry about them for years….The Truth They get revolving door sentences, if they even go to jail, and the vast majority do not, Offenders usually get probation, and even then sex offenders do not get GPS and lifetime probation(as they need to). Offenders quickly get back to a normal life while victims have lifetime consequences.The Myth::Sex Offenders are very controlled on probation or parole and cannot look for more victims. The Truth Offenders without GPS are on part time supervision, they are “good” while in the Probation officers eyesight for the weekly office visit. Offenders have all week to create more victims. Lifetime supervision with GPS would put society in charge. Currently offenders run the show, and this means more victims. The Myth:: Sex Offenders will grow old and out of this behavior.The Truth There is no “aging out” of offending. An offender has these desires and intentions for life. If they change it is to prevent being caught again. The Myth::Sex Offenders are all on the registry ….The Truth Sadly it’s very narrow and limited as to what crimes can be registered. Many offenders are given plea deals for non registerable crimes even though their actual behaviors were sexual offences. Laws must be changed so these “endangering the welfare of a minor” and other charges are registerable The Myth::Offenders friends and family support their recovery …..The Truth In realty the offender’s friends and family have denial regarding the offender’s full responsibility for his offense (they like to blame victims, police, DA ect). Offenders friends and family usually minimize the crime (he only touched her breast), and offenders friends and family often belittle rather than support the goals of supervision and treatment. Overall friends and family help the disorder rather than the offender who has it. Almost all of the time friends and family are working against the good of the community, although they may not know this. The Myth::The community is the main concern during the supervision process ….The Truth Actually, the current situation is budgets and offender rights are more important than community safety. The Myth::Offenders have to register immediately with local law enforcement. …..The Truth Sex offenders are often given up to 10 days to register upon moving in, or being employed within a state. Some states don’t require sex offenders visiting their state to register. Most states do not require sex offenders to register in advance of a move, they can move in and then inform. Getting a violation on a manipulative offender trying to beat the system is far too difficult. The Myth::Megan's Laws are consistent across the United States and protect the public equally. ….The Truth States laws vary, from only a 10-year registration without being put on the website to a more appropriate lifetime registration with community notification. (although registration is not supervision, and supervision without GPS is only 20 minutes a week of supervision) The Myth::Judges do not have discretion and have to give offenders the registration and probation terms that apply. …. The Truth In New York for example offenders can lawyer up and reduce the “level” they get at their hearing. Molesters can assert they are “non violent”, “sober”, ect, and get a level I or II and avoid the III that gets them posted on the website. Pushy lawyers advocating for the offender can get the Judges to change the sex offender conditions of probation as well, removing bans on child contact, allowing offenders to drink alcohol, own a softball team, and have computers, ect. Currently Judges have far too much leeway and offender’s attorneys use this to give the offender more freedoms that he then uses to act his sexual offences, even while on probation. Taking away judges discretion will allow society to determine the rules rather than the offender’s lawyer.

2016-03-15 03:42:22 UTC

Because we live in a society with a double standard. Women always want to be treated equal, and I say let us treat them equal. Also, judges like BJs.

confusedandfrustrated!!

2006-06-01 17:34:27 UTC

This makes no sense. 60 days for what he did. That is not acceptable. what ever happened to justice?

2006-06-02 21:33:15 UTC

Sex offenders do have it far too easy, thats true. I think we should all be writing our politicians so they pass some real laws and not this soft registry stuff. Let offenders wear GPS for life (and pay for it),have parole for life (and pay for it) because they will always have urges to harm others and the abilty to rationalize doing it. A CEO can at least give back some of the money he stole, Sex Offenders can't give back a childs innocence.

Offenders are running the show and we as individuals cannot stop them. PLEASE Contact your lawmakers to convince them to pass some real laws that control offenders

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2006-06-01 17:00:28 UTC

I find it absoutely ridiculous. Those men should spend the rest of their lives in jail and be chemically castrated.

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2016-04-11 12:19:09 UTC

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ILK3000

2006-06-02 01:39:21 UTC

I wonder what I could get away with, me being only 5'4". I wish somebody had told me about this sooner.

Move Over

2006-06-01 17:03:42 UTC

F*cking liberal judges, hope his daughter or grand daughter gets molested.

No I don't, i take that back. . . that would be punishing her for her dad / grand dad's stupidity

Black Sabbath

2006-06-01 17:01:13 UTC

ACLU takes it too far, they are to the point of idiocy.

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2006-06-01 17:03:07 UTC

thas just horrible, they shud be neutered

asssholejohn

2006-06-01 17:02:12 UTC

The ACLU is a crock of sh1t

2006-06-02 10:14:42 UTC

We are way too easy on those who decise to abuse children. Here is my answer to these people who abuse our loved ones

Sex Offender Legislation “Wish List”

1-GPS and lifetime supervision/treatment Law The failure of today's solutions regarding sexual offenders is because we are stuck in the strategy of “public notification” rather than “controlling offenders”. The current model puts the burden on parents rather than offenders, and makes the wrong people work to prevent abuse. Remotely (GPS) knowing where an offender is at all times throughout his lifetime can help to prevent that offender from creating new cases of sexual abuse.

2-Include all known offenders in the management plan-for life. It is wrong to include just those under supervision since the Meagan’s Law was written. People do not ever age out of this behavior so why an old is charge less important than a new charge. Sexual offences are the most under reported crimes (according to the FBI). The fact that a molester has not been arrested recently does not necessarily means he has not offended. In my opinion all offenders should be included in any plan, regardless of when their offense occurred. I believe some states have done this already.

3-Put all offenders , levels I, II or III on the website . I believe Florida does this. The leveling tool is very poor and pedophiles often end up with only a level I because they did not use force, and they superficially complied with treatment. The way the leveling system works pedophilic “groomers” who do not use force (and are the most busy of all offenders with hundreds of victims) are often not level III’s and therefore are able to have their offense relatively unknown. In New York for example offenders can lawyer up and reduce the “level” they get at their hearing. Molesters can assert they are “non violent”, “sober”, ect, and get the “points” reduced or get the judge to “override” the scale. Currently the public notification system is failing. All offenders of all levels should be on the website.

4- “Victim Shield Law”. As you know one of the few protections we offer rape victims is “Rape shield laws”, in order to at least try and prevent a rape victim’s sexual history from being put on trial rather than the rapist. In child sexual abuse cases there are no “Rape shield laws” to prevent the victim, or the victim’s family (often the mother) from being made the center of negative attention. In the past defense lawyers for rapists would portray rape victims as promiscuous, today child molester’s lawyers portray victims and victim’s mothers as manipulative, litigious, unreliable, angry, mentally ill, sociopathic, medicated, or undedicated. Because we as a society love to blame women, especially mothers, molesters have been able to harness the misogyny in our culture in order to escape responsibility for their offences. Like the old rape cases that would revolve around the victims sexual past, today molester cases revolve around a child or a mother’s real or fictional problems instead of the focus of attention being the sexual abuse committed by the offender. I do not know if there can ever be a “victim shield law” to prevent the victim/victim’s mother being put on trial rather than the molester, but I know it would help victims avoid being re-traumatized in the system and help society hold sexual offenders accountable. One of the things to always remember with offenders is they are control seekers, and will take any opportunity to attack rather than just defend. They feel entitled to their behavior and see being held accountable as an injustice they are being forced to suffer, and they have zero guilt in harming any number of people (even their children) in order to escape the consequences they deserve.

5-Plea deals down to “Endangering the welfare of a minor”. Despite the underlying behavior being the sexual abuse of children offenders are often given convictions that hide the nature of their behavior. When this happens offenders can get employment that gives them access to children, offenders are not on the State Sex Offender Registry. The other consequence to their being given non-sexual charges is that it cuts their supervision time in half. Misdemeanor sex offences carry 6 years probation supervision but “Endangering the welfare of a minor” carries only three. I feel the law should be changed so offenders cannot be given non-sexual abuse charges.

6-Make “Endangering the welfare of a minor” registerable , if the judge feels it was a sexually motivated crime. The registry is to narrow and limited as to what crimes can be registered. Laws be changed so “endangering the welfare of a minor” is registerable when the behavior or motivation was sexual.

7-“Standardized” conditions for those on sex offender probation. Right now offenders with good lawyers can get specific (or all) sex offender conditions removed from their sexual offender conditions of probation. This means that sexual offenders are on probation but are allowed to drink alcohol, work with children, have computers, go to bars, and do other things that will create a higher risk for the community. I feel there should be a “Statewide Sex Offender Conditions of Probation” that conditions cannot be removed from (but conditions can be added to suite the offenders issues).

8-Sexual Offender Contraband law- Strangely it is legal for sexual offenders off probation to own all kinds of things such as handcuffs, police lights, spy cameras, and software to make their internet behavior more anonymous.

9-Sex Offender use of technology law- When bank robbers use technology such as wearing body armor the penalties are increased, why are sex offender allowed to use any technology without added consequences. Offenders choose the internet because it allows greater access to children and greater anonymity. They should be punished for use of technology to harm a child. (technology such as Computers, digital cameras, webcams, ect)

10-“Secrecy Bind Law” The offender getting his victim to not report the crime he committed should be a separate crime that he suffers added consequences for. The pain that a victim suffers because the offender threatened, tricked, or manipulated the victim into silence should be seen as a separate and deserving of added consequences.

11- “Parental Alienation Syndrome” is a pseudo syndrome that is being used to get offenders off the hook by saying (incorrectly) that sexual abuse allegations come from a manipulative ex- playing head games with a child rather than because the child was actually molested. This “Parental Alienation Syndrome” is not a legitimate disorder, has not been subjected to peer review, has been ignored for 20 years by the APA, AMA, NASW, ECT because it is just a sophisticated way to say your wife is crazy and turned everyone against you. It is being pushed by hired guns such as Doctors, PhD’s, and lawyers to get their child molesting clients out of trouble. It is a favorite of the “Fathers Rights” groups who see men as victims of the Family Court system. By the way, these “Fathers rights” groups, “wrongly accused” groups, and “victims of allegations” groups are very organized and spend a good deal of time and energy networking and paying professionals. These angry, entitled molesters are organized and work hard, and I feel we need to work just as hard against them. My point is I feel we need some legislation to block this fake disorder from being used in court